Curse

Coloneh · Nov 26, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Im being made fun of

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I phrased my last post badly. I was talking purely about DPS, and in PvP swords win(not considering prot spirit) because Dslash pumps out a rediculous amount of physical damage on a target. its not the best way to score kills because it is easily countered. sorry for the confusion

SpaceGh057 · Nov 26, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

I phrased my last post badly. I was talking

about how you're bad at the game?

A Leprechaun · Nov 26, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

I'm not knocking you Coloneh, but Axes are better in PvP.

~A Leprechaun~

Brian the Gladiator · Nov 26, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

On paper without attack skills the DPS rankings are:
1) Hammer
2) Axe
3) Sword

I know for a fact, on paper, a solid D-slash warrior with IAS is the highest DPS you can get in the game which would seemingly put swords over axes.

Unfortunately I now have to drop the "but" hammer on the D-slash build because these statistics are not taking into consideration all of the melee shutdown a warrior will have to deal with in general.

in PvE, D-slash is best because there truly isn't very much blocking and blinds

PvP is a different story. using D-slash in any form of PvP is just stupid. A single aegis chain can completely shut down the build since, if D-slash fails to hit, the adrenaline it takes to build up can be ridiculous and completely ruin the build. This is why hammer and axe are king in the current PvP meta.

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.

False / Fail / Bad

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

Im being made fun of ....
I phrased my last post badly. I was talking purely about DPS, and in PvP swords win(not considering prot spirit) because Dslash pumps out a rediculous amount of physical damage on a target. its not the best way to score kills because it is easily countered. sorry for the confusion

Pretty sure in Pvp, you have to think about what is going to counter your build before deciding that it should be used. And by pretty sure, I mean it is fact! so...

again... False / Fail / Bad

Stormlord Alex · Nov 26, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

in PvE, D-slash is best because there truly is "Save Yourselves!" and Brawling Headbutt which are stupidly OP

Fix'd/10

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PvP is a different story. using D-slash in any form of PvP is just stupid. A single aegis chain can completely shut down the build since, if D-slash fails to hit, the adrenaline it takes to build up can be ridiculous and completely ruin the build. This is why hammer and axe are king in the current PvP meta.

/agreed
But just to add to it, the only other worthwhile alternative - Cripslash - is overshadowed by the strength of Cripshot and the power of condition removals.

Brian the Gladiator · Nov 26, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

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Originally Posted by Brian The Gladiator

in PvE, D-slash is best because there truly is "Save Yourselves!" and Brawling Headbutt which are stupidly OP

Fix'd/10

I never said that so why did you put words in my mouth? Just wondering.... (not that i dont agree though)
I wish i knew what Fix'd/10 means????

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

But just to add to it, the only other worthwhile alternative - Cripslash - is overshadowed by the strength of Cripshot and the power of condition removals.

Crip Slash is actually very very good in PvP depending on where you use it. In GvG and HA, RC is the current meta for monks so it can be very ineffective when you crip slash + gash someone and then suddenly all the conditions are removed and the person is spiked up to full health with one simple 5 energy skill. That is why it is bad, not because Crip Shot is better. In RA, TA, and AB, I would say that Crip slash is one of the best (if the THE BEST) elite to use on a warrior.

Edit: I forgot to mention this -- you really shouldn't be using any warrior elites in PvE because I'm pretty sure that Ursen Blessing is the most imba thing in the game so... yea

Age · Nov 27, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Lets not get this thread locked

Nyktos · Nov 27, 2007, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

I never said that so why did you put words in my mouth? Just wondering.... (not that i dont agree though)
I wish i knew what Fix'd/10 means????

=
Something along the lines of "I made this post more accurate by changing it, then bolded the changed parts for ease of readability because the average forum reader is too lazy to compare the two posts side by said. Aren't I nice?" You can see why people tend to shorten it

blue.rellik · Nov 27, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

Edit: I forgot to mention this -- you really shouldn't be using any warrior elites in PvE because I'm pretty sure that Ursen Blessing is the most imba thing in the game so... yea

True enough but I tend to stick away from that skill simply because it's no fun at all. I rarely use PvE skill now, maybe the occasional Sunspear skill and the rebirth signet as well as YMLAD or Pain Inverter.

Savio · Nov 27, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

Edit: I forgot to mention this -- you really shouldn't be using any warrior elites in PvE because I'm pretty sure that Ursen Blessing is the most imba thing in the game so... yea

Ursan is better than what most PuGs run, but it is not better than any decent (SY/Brawling/Conjure) form of a Dslasher.

iridescentfyre · Nov 27, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

Im being made fun of

....
I phrased my last post badly. I was talking purely about DPS, and in PvP swords win(not considering prot spirit) because Dslash pumps out a rediculous amount of physical damage on a target. its not the best way to score kills because it is easily countered. sorry for the confusion

If you ignore the fact that its rendered useless by blocking and Protection spells, and you ignore the fact that DPS isn't even what gets kills against decent players, yeah Dragon Slash totally owns in PvP.

Squishy ftw · Nov 27, 2007, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

Edit: I forgot to mention this -- you really shouldn't be using any warrior elites in PvE because I'm pretty sure that Ursen Blessing is the most imba thing in the game so... yea

You don't actually believe this yourself do you ?

UB might be imba but a DS build with FGJ, SY, brawling headbut is far better than any UB will ever be. You can keep SY up for about 80% of the time during battle, you'll do the same if not more damage by just spamming DS and with brawling headbut you can keep someone knocked for 30 sec (with enduring harmony) which is the ultimate form of shutdown (when enemies can be knocked).

So you're greatly protecting your party(SY), dishing out a comparable amount of damage to UB and offer far better shutdown by chaining brawling headbuts, while UB just does damage, offer some weaknes (this damage reduction is less than SY) and the knockdown is only available every 15 ? seconds.

The only thing UB is better at is making bad players feel like good ones...

jrk247 · Nov 27, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

The only thing UB is better at is making bad players feel like good ones...

QFT. There really is no skill in UB, you have unlimited energy aslong as you are attacking and you just have to press 1 2 3 and repeat.

Brian the Gladiator · Nov 27, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Just because UB takes no skill to play does not mean it isn't great and dealing a ton of damage.

Yes, D-slash + defensive shouts and other versitile skills is great, but we are talking about DPS here and, in PvE, the best DPS is UB so... /fail

I will give you the fact that, if you aren't running any PvE skills, D-slash is the best DPS in the game... /win

Age · Nov 27, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

I guess from all the census in the thread it seems like Axes do have a higher dps than swords /Post Prophecies.

Brian the Gladiator · Nov 27, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Age

I guess from all the census in the thread it seems like Axes do have a higher dps than swords /Post Prophecies.

You simply can't make a blanket statement like that dude.

The census in the thread is that Axes do have a higher dps than sword only in the CURRENT GVG AND HA META because of the large amounts of anti-melee.

In a pure DPS battle however, the Dragon slash warrior will produce THE MOST DAMAGE PER SECOND out of ANY BUILD POSSIBLE in guild wars PERIOD. which means that swords in fact do produce the highest DPS possible.

In short:

In a perfect world swords are BY FAR better pain givers than axes!

When taking into account the fact that there is blocking, blinding, and kiting, and condition removal, axes are much better at dealing fast spurts of damage as well as pressure. They are much more versatile than swords and can be used with better success in many more situations which is why they are better in PvP.

Alex the Great · Nov 27, 2007, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

if your talking about a build with skills and everything. then Axes have swords beat by a ton in PvE because of AoE attacks. but Swords win in PvP because Dslash on a single target is insane.

dslash owns pve plain and simple
eviserate owns pvp plain and simple

but you can use triple chop in pve
and cripslash in pvp

so it's even

and hammers= kd lock yay

blue.rellik · Nov 28, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

You simply can't make a blanket statement like that dude.

The census in the thread is that Axes do have a higher dps than sword only in the CURRENT GVG AND HA META because of the large amounts of anti-melee.

In a pure DPS battle however, the Dragon slash warrior will produce THE MOST DAMAGE PER SECOND out of ANY BUILD POSSIBLE in guild wars PERIOD. which means that swords in fact do produce the highest DPS possible.

In short:

In a perfect world swords are BY FAR better pain givers than axes!

When taking into account the fact that there is blocking, blinding, and kiting, and condition removal, axes are much better at dealing fast spurts of damage as well as pressure. They are much more versatile than swords and can be used with better success in many more situations which is why they are better in PvP.

[skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill]

Savio · Nov 28, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

but we are talking about DPS here and, in PvE, the best DPS is UB so... /fail

Only if you run it as a melee/Paragon really well, have a pet, and always hit multiple targets with Rage. The chances of getting UB users like that are... not so good.

jrk247 · Nov 28, 2007, 05:02 AM // 05:02

^ Not to mention not everyone has a max norn title so that lowers it aswell.